tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7872819010848426693.post5787785446492231144..comments2024-03-28T02:46:03.227-04:00Comments on The Historical Society: Rebunking the Pilgrims?Randallhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16755286304057000048noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7872819010848426693.post-42168773005341004342013-12-04T14:58:02.192-05:002013-12-04T14:58:02.192-05:00I'd definitely say so. Yep. Visits to Plymou...I'd definitely say so. Yep. Visits to Plymouth helped, too. Randallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16755286304057000048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7872819010848426693.post-2332238973253681162013-12-02T13:36:58.931-05:002013-12-02T13:36:58.931-05:00The turn here in the comments does make me wonder ...The turn here in the comments does make me wonder about our geographic location and how that shapes who the "real" settlers are. Do you think your Northeastern sojourn balanced out your Kansas roots, Randall? That's too personal, maybe, but I do think that geography can (not always) shape who we think has "formed" American character and heritage.... Sorry if that's reading too much into things. Remember I'm not a specialist here! But yes, please, let's have some rap wars.Lisa Clark Dillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00155783885263417225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7872819010848426693.post-65263430353566375382009-12-07T13:56:00.702-05:002009-12-07T13:56:00.702-05:00Good idea. I'll start calling you Biggie Small...Good idea. I'll start calling you Biggie Smalls from now on. Something tells me that the funkiness of West Coast rap is more analagous to Virginia settlement--I guess that makes me Dr. Dre.Bland Whitleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15802989746004923085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7872819010848426693.post-6962332044197676212009-12-02T16:57:06.466-05:002009-12-02T16:57:06.466-05:00True enough. I should have said first REAL settle...True enough. I should have said first REAL settlers. <br /><br />I do like the horror of the southern settlement. <br /><br />I'd like to see this turn into a historiographical version of the East Coast, West Coast rap wars.Randallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16755286304057000048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7872819010848426693.post-78653857833378001702009-12-02T10:15:06.191-05:002009-12-02T10:15:06.191-05:00Perhaps it's the Virginian in me (ok, strike t...Perhaps it's the Virginian in me (ok, strike the perhaps), but I prefer keeping the Pilgrims debunked, if for no other reason than it tends to minimize the New England chauvinism so much on display in your post, Randall. First English settlers? Puhleeze. More seriously, however important the Pilgrims may have been, there use as American archetypes seems to serve some not terribly high-minded goals. The Pilgrims kind of bleach out the history of colonization/settlement, first by mythologizing a cooperative relationship with the Indians and second by making people forget about the biracial society already taking shape to the south. The Pilgrim myth has allowed Americans to think of the country without acknowledging slavery and genocide. That's why it's probably more useful to focus more attention on VA settlement, where one can't be shielded from the messy realities. And besides, as any VA schoolkids could tell you, the first Thanksgiving was actually celebrated at Berkeley Hundred, VA in 1619. Gobble gobble.Bland Whitleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15802989746004923085noreply@blogger.com